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posted by VanCM Blogger @ 1/25/2008 02:15:00 pm
5 Comments:
At 7:19 pm, January 25, 2008,
Anonymous said…
I have no problem with people wanting to use bikes to get around. But sitting here at about 6:40 tonight I could see the mass of bikes passing through Burrard and Pacific street. No problem stopping the cars from going through. BUT! why not let the people "walking" from the NW corner of Pacific to the NE corner? When the mass finished and the light turned red. You all left the people standing in the middle of the intersection running so they would not get hit by mad people in cars.
At 9:36 pm, January 25, 2008,
Anonymous said…
I agree with anon. I was unable to cross the street @ Burrard @ Georgia because of all the bikes for the entire light cycle.
Bikes need to be treated as cars for the purposes of traffic lights. I've got no problems with bikes (I commute on one myself) but disobeying traffic law is just stupid.
At 10:06 pm, January 28, 2008,
Anonymous said…
See, we're all going to draw our lines differently. You agree with breaking traffic laws if it disrupts motor vehicle users but not if it dirupts pedestrians? You have a rationale, but it's still breaking the law.
Some riders seem to prefer to let pedestrians through on a CM ride. Many think that's a very unsafe idea.
Some prefer to also let transit buses through. Emergency vehicles with lights and sirens, well that seems like a no-brainer. But what about police vehicles on regular patrol?
We're never going to have consensus in a group of 1,000 riders. But the closest to consensus we've ever seen is "keep rolling, sorry for the disruption, thanks for your patience, we'll be through here in a few minutes".
At 4:23 pm, February 03, 2008,
Anonymous said…
What I was meaning was.. The people already started the walk on the green. Then the mass came through. There was 3 people on bikes that blocked the Westbound traffic till the mass passed. Just after the last bikes passed. The 3 jumped back on thier bikes ASAP to catch up to the rest. Compleatly leaving the people in the intersection. Why not of held that traffic for just a few seconds more to let them pass safetly. I was not asking to stop the mass to let people walk through it.
At 2:02 am, February 10, 2008,
VanCM Blogger said…
Thanks for bringing this up anonymous pedestrian. I would really like to see more attention paid to the pedestrians on the mass. And your comment at the end seems somewhat practical to me. The third anoymous poster does make a good point that it is difficult to decide anything like this because the mass is just a mass and never really co-ordinated. However, there is some signifigant group communication. I would suggest that something like this could be part of the etiquette. Corking is an etiquette, it doesn't get decided but people mostly do it well because it is talked about and taught from rider to rider. I think this kind of thing might work if enough people started talking about it and getting it to happen. It's not even such a hard task... Just post info about this idea here and elsewhere (velolove list perticularly) and then with a small group of friends put this into practice at one of the rides. People will see... Hmm... Actually at the end of the mass not many riders will see... Well, I don't have an easy answer but I think its a great idea. Things evolve too - not everything is known before it happens. Corking has been an evolution. PS: Maybe you don't know the word? Corking (see wikipedia) is the act of stopping the cars on the mass/talking to them.
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